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Re: Iditarod
(Antworten #15 Datum: November 3rd, 2019 um 1:23:58pm)
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Der Norweger Thomas Wærner ist wohl ein Musher, der es gleich im ersten Qrill-(Grill- ) Jahr wissen will.

Er ist sowohl für den Femundsløpet (Start 31.1.20) als auch für das ID (Start 7.3.20) gemeldet.

Da will wohl jemand seine Punkte optimieren.


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Re: Iditarod "Business"
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am November 2nd, 2019 um 8:49:04pm schrieb Milaq :
North ,
hier wird auch oft noch ueber das Prinzip Circuit geraetselt.
Eventuell war die Idee ,vollstaendige Race als big Petfoodsponsor zu uebernehmen.[ glaubten Manche...]
Aber viele einzelne  Topmusher reichen ja auch aus.
Und das Stateweit...auf bekannte Races..die entsprechenden Kommunikations Moeglichkeiten
dazu ,verbindet das Race und jede Menge Topteams entsprechend zueinander.
Kleinere Race Organisationen versprechen sich auch mehr Zulauf , einen groesseren Bekanntheitswert .

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Ok, das mit den Sponsoren könnte evtl. was bringen (andererseits verstehte ich persönlich von der ganzen Sponsor-Wirtschaft zu wenig).

Irgendwo habe ich auch gelesen, es ging u.a. auch darum, eine guten Umgang mit den Hunden gemeinsam zu demonstrieren.

Hier steht auch sowas:
https://www.adn.com/iditarod-2019/2019/10/23/iditarod-joins-new-international-race-circuit-in-an-effort-to-increase-exposure-showcase-dog-care/


So gibt es dann die absurde Siegerehrung, wobei die Teams ihren Plaetzen entsprechend  ihre Preise bekommen, und zeitgleich dann davor/danach die Siegerliste vom anderen {QPaws.}

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So gibt es dann 2  Siegerehrungen bei einem Race. ?


Ja, genau diese Frage stellt sich.
Ich meine, so abwegig ist das ja nicht, schließlich gibt es sowas bei anderen Sportarten auch.
Die Frage ist halt nur, wie das bei Hundeschlittenrennen in der Praxis aussehen wird. Könnte damit der Druck auf die Teams wachsen, weil dann einige womöglich immer mehr wollen als nur das eine oder andere Rennen zu gewinnen?
Oder würden ggf. in der Gesamtwertung irgendwelche ewig Zweiten (oder so) sichtbarer werden, wenn sie insgesamt auf mehr Punkte kommen als jemand, der z. B. eines der großen Rennen gewonnen hat, aber bei den anderen gar nicht erst mitgemacht hat oder zumindest keine gute Platzierung bekommen hat oder gar scratchen musste?
Am wichtigsten ist dabei jedenfalls die Frage, wie es sich auf die Hunde auswirkt.

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Re: Iditarod
(Antworten #17 Datum: November 3rd, 2019 um 10:37:53pm)
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am November 3rd, 2019 um 4:39:18pm schrieb North :
Die Frage ist halt nur, wie das bei Hundeschlittenrennen in der Praxis aussehen wird. Könnte damit der Druck auf die Teams wachsen, weil dann einige womöglich immer mehr wollen als nur das eine oder andere Rennen zu gewinnen?
Oder würden ggf. in der Gesamtwertung irgendwelche ewig Zweiten (oder so) sichtbarer werden, wenn sie insgesamt auf mehr Punkte kommen als jemand, der z. B. eines der großen Rennen gewonnen hat, aber bei den anderen gar nicht erst mitgemacht hat oder zumindest keine gute Platzierung bekommen hat oder gar scratchen musste.
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Hallo an alle,

vielleicht beantwortet der unten angeführte Text einige dieser Fragen und macht manches etwas klarer.

Um in der Qrill-Wertung berücksichtigt zu werden, ist es notwendig, mindestens in    z w e i    der vier Rennen Punkte zu sammeln.
Bei Teilnahme an mehr als 2 Qpaws-Rennen zählen die besten 2 Ergebnisse.

Mit Final Race ist das ID gemeint.

Rechenbeispiel:
Musher A wird 3. in einem 5 Paw race = 500 P. und 4. beim ID = 700 P. = gesamt 1200 P.

Musher B gewinnt ein 5 Paw Race = 600 P.   und erreicht einen weiteren 2. Platz in der 5 Paw Class = 550 P.= 1150 P.

Der Gewinner wäre Musher A.
Hierbei sind noch keine Hundepflegepunkte (da noch nicht festgelegt) berücksichtigt.


Wie und was sich da noch Weiteres entwickelt, bleibt spannend.
Ich hoffe bloß, nicht auf dem Rücken der Hunde.

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QPAWS Champion Point System
 
POINT SYSTEM FOR 2020 QRILL PET ARCTIC WORLD SERIES

                              1st                   2nd               3rd                4th-30th

5-paw race       600 points  / 550 points / 500 points / from 400  >10 points

Finale race      1000 points / 940 points / 880 points / from 700  >20 points

WINNER OF 2020 QPAWS
= HIGHEST TOTAL OF POINTS
EARNED IN TWO RACES


For the 2020 season, Qrill Paw Arctic World Series consist of four races starting in January with Volga Quest (Russia) then Beargrease (Minnesota, USA), Femundsløpet (Norway) and the finale Iditarod (Alaska, USA) taking place in March.

All mushers and their dog teams entering in each race are automatically taking part in the 2020 Qrill Paw World Arctic Series competition (QPAWS), simply by entering and finishing any of these races.

Mushers can of course enter with their dog teams to participate in as many of the QPAWS races as they desire. However, at least for the 2020 season, only the two races in which a musher earned the greatest amount of points will count towards the total standing in the QPAWS competition at the end. With the four races in the Series for the 2020 season a level playing field is hereby ensured whether or not mushers are in a position to travel much internationally this season! Enabling and supporting mushers to travel nationally and internationally is an important part of the mission with the Series in the future.

The 2021 competition will involve many more races in addition to the four now in play! All races are assigned a paw-status based on race course, distance and competition. The number of paws assigned to a race determines the amount of points available for mushers and their teams to earn in the race.

Volga Quest, Beargrease and Femundsløpet are 5-paw races and in each of these races the winner will be awarded 600 points. Points awarded then decrease in intervals of 50 points for the top-3 finishers, meaning second place finishers earns 550 points, 3rd place finishers 500 points, while teams thereafter, placing 4th through 30th, are awarded from 400 points down to 10 points.

Iditarod being the finale there is more point-value to be earned here than in the other three races. The Iditarod Champion will be awarded 1000 points, 2nd place 940 points, and 3rd place 880 points while 4th through 30th again from 700 points to 20 points.

The 2020 Qrill Paw Arctic World Series Champion will be the musher and team of dogs with the most points total earned. In addition to a competition based on placement, there is also a competition based on dog care. More on that soon! As well as… what exactly are mushers in the competition to win with Qrill Paw Arctic Series? Stay tuned for that reveal!

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Re: Iditarod "Business"
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Danke für die Info und den Text.
Ja, das mit den beiden besten Rennen klingt eigentlich vernünftig.

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Re: Iditarod "Business"
(Antworten #19 Datum: November 9th, 2019 um 12:30:54am)
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Hier ein Bericht im NomeNugget zu dem Treffen
CEO IDI Rob Urbach und peta  .

www.nomenugget.com/news/iditarod-ceo-meets-peta  

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am November 9th, 2019 um 12:30:54am schrieb Milaq :
Hier ein Bericht im NomeNugget zu dem Treffen
CEO IDI Rob Urbach und peta  .
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Re: Iditarod "Business"
(Antworten #21 Datum: November 9th, 2019 um 3:32:10am)
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Besser haette ich es nicht kommentieren koennen.

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Re: Iditarod "Business"
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Vielen Dank für den Link. Hatte mich schon gewundert, dass man nix darüber liest, da das Treffen ja schon im Oktober stattfinden sollte, aber zunächst keine News dazu zu finden waren.

Also das hier z. B.
"...including the ridiculous notion that there is something called ‘outdoor dogs’ or ‘sled dogs’, given that the dogs used in the Iditarod are precisely the same—biologically and emotionally—as the dogs with whom we share our homes."

und "...PeTA claims that sled dogs are forced to run, are kept in “subzero” temperatures..."

Sowas in der Art hatte ich vor einiger Zeit mal in den Kommentaren zu einem Peta-Beitrag auf FB gelesen.  
Ich dachte seinerzeit, sowas schreiben halt irgendwelche dummen Laien aus der Großstadt, die aus Naivität zu Anhängern von Peta geworden sind. Schlimm genug.
Aber das Peta selbst so einen Müll verbreitet: Ich finde es echt übel, dass Leute mit so wenig Ahnung sich anmaßen vorzugeben, sie würden sich für Tierschutz einsetzen.  
Wie wär's, wenn sie sich mal mit Profis = Veterinären über die Sache unterhalten würden?

Aber wie dem auch sei: Ich finde es trotzdem gut, dass der ID-Typ das gemacht hat, so hat er es wenigstens versucht.

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Re: Iditarod "Business"
(Antworten #23 Datum: November 9th, 2019 um 12:54:38pm)
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Hab noch einen öffentlichen Beitrag von Mitch Seavey auf FB zum Thema gefunden:

"Mitch Seavey
26. Oktober um 11:44
PeTA Spies, PeTA Lies - true story
I rarely respond publicly to PeTA and their allegations about me and my kennel. I figure if I live on the top floor, why worry about rats in the sewer? But this may be the right time. If the Iditarod Trail Committee is serious about dealing with them, then I have a tale to tell.

Last spring a so called “expose’” about us and another sled dog kennel was released by PeTA. The part about us is almost entirely lies and distortions. A rerun of the same garbage came out again recently.

It was an article about this person’s experiences as a handler at these kennels under the authorship of “Guest Columnist.” Really? Not even the cojones to sign his name to his “work.” Well, I know who he is, and I know where he is. Though he probably didn’t actually write this article himself, he did whore himself out to PeTA. He’s a liar, and his boss, PeTA is dishonest. He lives out of country now, but until about a year ago, at age 37, his address was the same as his parents, here in the U.S. Let’s be charitable, shall we, and just call him “Spy-Ex.” (That’s short for “Spy-Expletive.”)

Spy-Ex responded to a job advertisement here last winter, pretending he wanted to learn to mush dogs. He got an acceptable review from the other kennel, so we took him on. (Of course, it turns out he had defrauded them too.) I even asked him about any affiliation with animal extremists or objections to the sport of mushing. Nope, he just wanted to learn to run dogs and maybe race someday.

We rented living accommodations for Spy-Ex in town, paid him a salary and taught him to run dogs. We spent hours with him and made him a part of the team. All the while, he was stabbing my crew, my family, and me in the back.

He was sneaking around our kennel with a hidden miniature video-recording device on his person and reporting back to PeTA the whole time, for three solid months. He mushed with us, attended races with us, was in our company meetings, in our off-the-record-bull-sessions. He stayed with us at our host house in Nome after the Iditarod and, like a trusted team member, was included for my bone-weary, barely coherent recollections and storytelling at the end of the 2019 Iditarod race.

Well, what did his investigation reveal? Here’s what he got that’s true:

1) Some Seavey dogs used plastic barrel dog houses at the racing kennel.
2) One dog had a collar rub, another a small cut on a foot.
3) Race dogs lose weight on the Iditarod.

This PeTA snake was in our kennel recording for three months. Secretly spying on us. And he came up with a collar rub and a sore foot. That’s like a triathlete with a blister and a scraped knee. And, like a triathlete, dogs are hungry after their big race.

Ok. “Sorry.” I guess? After all of their accusations over the years, this is actually a vindication.

Oh, they claim a bunch of other stuff; outright lies or tales so grossly exaggerated as to be unrecognizable from the vantage point of truth.

Here’s one example: They say my dog Pilot returned home during the 2019 race with the same hind leg injury he had last year and was then just tied up and neglected. Baloney. He was returned from the Rohn checkpoint on the race with a muscle cramp in his shoulder. By the time he was released to our people, the cramp was undetectable. Nevertheless, my man at the kennel instituted a normal protocol of liniment massages, essential oils, cold laser therapy and nights indoors. That didn’t stop Spy-Ex from reporting to the world that my dog Pilot was injured, neglected, abused, no care, blah, blah, blah.

Pilot also free-ran daily, and was in and out of the breeding pen, attending to business there. The shoulder cramp has never returned, and Pilot has been completely healthy ever since. He is now large and in-charge, training for another Iditarod Race.

Barrel houses? We have used plastic dog houses at the racing kennel -- ingeniously made from recycled plastic barrels – because they have many advantages. They’re the right size, waterproof and windproof, durable, easy to clean, disease free, low maintenance, and safe for the dog because they can’t chew them up, and the bedding straw stays in them. Google “10 best outdoor dog houses.” They are all made out of plastic, and none offer half the durability and function of these barrel houses. Mushers, there’s nothing wrong with a plastic barrel doghouse except in the coldest climates -- a handful of nutjobs chaining themselves to barrels at Chrysler headquarters in Detroit, notwithstanding.

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Of course, PeTA doesn’t portray them as ingenious dog houses made of recycled materials. No, just barrels. They deceptively compose their photos to hide the attached food pail and the door with straw inside. Just “Chained to a barrel!” they say.

I seriously wonder why anyone even cares what this extremist group has to say. 90% of the people I know think they are bat guano crazy. Still, like bad TV, people keep watching more episodes and talking about it. We could all do the animal community a favor and change the channel.

I think a lot of PeTA people want to appear to care about animals a lot more than they actually do care about animals. In all of my interactions with them they are not caring people. They don’t have a nurturing spirit. They are angry and bitter, and their message is one of hate toward animal owners, and not much about love toward animals.
We recently replaced the barrel houses at the race kennel with wooden houses, for purely aesthetic reasons. The product review from the dogs? “Meh, whatever.” It cost about $20,000. Hey, since PeTA is so concerned about my dog houses maybe they have grants -- matching funds or something …. Yeah, probably not. (Btw, our tour kennel in Seward is completely tether free with barn-style group housing.)

This is not the first time my kennel has been infiltrated by a spy. There have been at least two others that I know of. So friends, please be wary of rumors from anyone claiming to be a “handler” or to have firsthand knowledge of a sled dog kennel. These “plants” have an agenda and often create the reported unacceptable situations themselves. “Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.”

If you naively think PeTA actually cares about animals, bless your heart. They don’t. Maybe some of their members and donors do care. Shoot, if their accounts were true, and they were actually helping animals, I might even donate. But it isn’t true. And they don’t help animals. Their true mission is to raise money, over $60 million annually. Please Google it, friends. We’re not in the dark ages and it’s our responsibility to be informed. They aren’t an animal rescue organization. By some accounts, I rehomed more dogs in 2016 than PeTA did. That would be seven.

This corporate espionage tactic is being widely used by PeTA and they make no bones about it. They must think people are stupid. But people surely realize an organization which gains access by lying, will not then report truthfully.

I admit, I have been naïve. I take people at their word until they show they can’t be trusted. It has cost me, dearly at times, but I’m happy being open minded and trusting. The personal price of being bitter and cynical is greater than the loss of one’s possessions, and even one’s reputation. But there are limits, and lines have been crossed.

These spies have tell-tale signs, in retrospect. They aren’t really interested in being a musher after all. They talk a lot about dog care but don’t really care about doing it. They quiz you about things that aren’t really relevant or any of their business. They want to catch you in a contradiction or trip you up with your words. (Of course, you might be on video camera.) As a kennel owner you find yourself wondering “Why is this person even here?” Then it will be their section of the yard that suffers for dog care, either through their indifference, or as they attempt to create a situation to “report” to PeTA.

Spy-Ex is a big ol’ boy, and because he was a complete novice and not particularly gifted athletically, I would only let him run a very small team of dogs. He kept asking for more dogs and I kept saying no, for safety reasons. I now revel in the thought of him jogging behind that sled, huffing and puffing up the hill we call “Everest” every day, with just 4 dogs, while the other trainers and teams waited for him. Ah, the glamour and intrigue of international espionage. Spy-Ex, your parents must be proud."

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Danke North für diesen Seavey-Artikel.

Ich habe ihn trotz guter Englischkenntnisse mal durch ein  Übersetzungsprogramm geschleust und kann nur sagen:

Danke auch Mitch Seavey für diese Stellungnahme !


Deckt sie sich doch weitgehend mit meinen Recherchen zu peta.


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(Antworten #26 Datum: November 10th, 2019 um 3:42:14pm)
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Puh, ichhabe mich mal so halb durchgelesen...
Was ist denn da los...?  

Was soll man davon halten?

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